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	<title>Comments on: Rat Park: Addiction is a situation, not a disease</title>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2011 23:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;IMHO drug abuse (as opposed to sensible use, for whatever reason) is more a symptom of mental disparity than a cause. The diving into excess (at least from my past personal experience) results from an inability to deal with a need/lack/problem, with the consequent desire to escape. Some people are free to use that particular escape and some are trapped into even more psychologically destructive alternatives like alcohol.. But no matter which particular symptom shows itself it&#039;s the cause that needs to be cured before the problem will stop rearing its head.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO drug abuse (as opposed to sensible use, for whatever reason) is more a symptom of mental disparity than a cause. The diving into excess (at least from my past personal experience) results from an inability to deal with a need/lack/problem, with the consequent desire to escape. Some people are free to use that particular escape and some are trapped into even more psychologically destructive alternatives like alcohol.. But no matter which particular symptom shows itself it&#8217;s the cause that needs to be cured before the problem will stop rearing its head.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
		<link>http://sciencethatmatters.com/archives/6/comment-page-1#comment-38350</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 13:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dr. Reeves:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Maybe this argument is semantic, and hinges on what various parties would mean by &quot;disease&quot; or &quot;not a disease.&quot; This might call for a definition of the word &quot;disease,&quot; which would probably turn out to be harder to do coherently than it seems on first blush. I don&#039;t see anyone here disputing that exposure to drugs changes a person&#039;s physiology, or that taking drugs can make you sick.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But one consequence of thinking of something as a disease, right or wrong, fair or unfair, is that people tend to think of it as located only in the body, instead of in the interaction between body, including brain, mind, and situation.  It is probably true of most, if not all, diseases that they could fruitfully be conceived of as an interaction among these three elements.  Stress, placebo, social support, SES, etc., are all things that affect disease processes. It would be nice to retain the destigmatization we hope we&#039;ve achieved with disease models of mental illness (although there is perhaps some reason to doubt how successful that&#039;s been), but acknowledge and study the ways that social and psychological processes that affect it (as indeed, many people do).  Addiction is a psychological phenomenon and it would be a little crazy to expect it to be unaffected by drastic changes in environment, though voluntary detoxification by the rats is indeed a striking result.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Reeves:</p>

<p>Maybe this argument is semantic, and hinges on what various parties would mean by &#8220;disease&#8221; or &#8220;not a disease.&#8221; This might call for a definition of the word &#8220;disease,&#8221; which would probably turn out to be harder to do coherently than it seems on first blush. I don&#8217;t see anyone here disputing that exposure to drugs changes a person&#8217;s physiology, or that taking drugs can make you sick.</p>

<p>But one consequence of thinking of something as a disease, right or wrong, fair or unfair, is that people tend to think of it as located only in the body, instead of in the interaction between body, including brain, mind, and situation.  It is probably true of most, if not all, diseases that they could fruitfully be conceived of as an interaction among these three elements.  Stress, placebo, social support, SES, etc., are all things that affect disease processes. It would be nice to retain the destigmatization we hope we&#8217;ve achieved with disease models of mental illness (although there is perhaps some reason to doubt how successful that&#8217;s been), but acknowledge and study the ways that social and psychological processes that affect it (as indeed, many people do).  Addiction is a psychological phenomenon and it would be a little crazy to expect it to be unaffected by drastic changes in environment, though voluntary detoxification by the rats is indeed a striking result.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Heroin Addict</title>
		<link>http://sciencethatmatters.com/archives/6/comment-page-1#comment-38310</link>
		<dc:creator>Heroin Addict</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 06:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If I&#039;m getting laid by a girl that doesnt use, feel loved, all that stuff, i stay off it, and like a rat i go back the second my heart gets broken or whatever. I don&#039;t know how to make myself better.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I&#8217;m getting laid by a girl that doesnt use, feel loved, all that stuff, i stay off it, and like a rat i go back the second my heart gets broken or whatever. I don&#8217;t know how to make myself better.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://sciencethatmatters.com/archives/6/comment-page-1#comment-38264</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mainstream therapy has yet to grasp the sociological dimension of &#039;dis-ease&#039;... even in addiction - like most (if not all) problems of our world - you find the absence of thorough bio-psycho-social explanations. Folks haven&#039;t learned how each dimension is &#039;true&#039;, that an &#039;integral&#039; approach is our best way to grasp and treat addiction. Of course, I don&#039;t know anything I&#039;m just an &quot;addict&quot; not a &quot;professional&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mainstream therapy has yet to grasp the sociological dimension of &#8216;dis-ease&#8217;&#8230; even in addiction &#8211; like most (if not all) problems of our world &#8211; you find the absence of thorough bio-psycho-social explanations. Folks haven&#8217;t learned how each dimension is &#8216;true&#8217;, that an &#8216;integral&#8217; approach is our best way to grasp and treat addiction. Of course, I don&#8217;t know anything I&#8217;m just an &#8220;addict&#8221; not a &#8220;professional&#8221;.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://sciencethatmatters.com/archives/6/comment-page-1#comment-38261</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Lauren Slater has a chapter devoted to the Rat Park experiment in her book Opening Skinner&#039;s Box.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lauren Slater has a chapter devoted to the Rat Park experiment in her book Opening Skinner&#8217;s Box.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://sciencethatmatters.com/archives/6/comment-page-1#comment-38219</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A lot of students in college or soldiers in Viet Nam have used drugs at very high levels only to return to stop or use normal levels when out of that situation.  It is the people who continue to use in ways that interfere with their life once in a more normal life situation that benefit from help.  What I take from this is not that situation is the only cause of addiction but that studies on addiction should be using the rats who continue to use the drugs even after they have been given access to the rat park.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of students in college or soldiers in Viet Nam have used drugs at very high levels only to return to stop or use normal levels when out of that situation.  It is the people who continue to use in ways that interfere with their life once in a more normal life situation that benefit from help.  What I take from this is not that situation is the only cause of addiction but that studies on addiction should be using the rats who continue to use the drugs even after they have been given access to the rat park.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Hang</title>
		<link>http://sciencethatmatters.com/archives/6/comment-page-1#comment-38184</link>
		<dc:creator>Hang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 07:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The only reason I would accept the study to be rejected is if the science was bad. If the science is bad I have not the least bit sympathy for the people doing it. We have junk enough in our lives, we don&#039;t need more of it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However, if this could be faithfully reproduced and it would demonstrate that given a choice and a good life, rats won&#039;t voluntarily take drugs even though they can get as much of them as they&#039;d like, that may be a strong indicator for why people choose to take drugs [outside of a medical/religious context]. Somehow I have the feeling that not everybody thinks having happy people making their own choices is a desirable outcome.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only reason I would accept the study to be rejected is if the science was bad. If the science is bad I have not the least bit sympathy for the people doing it. We have junk enough in our lives, we don&#8217;t need more of it.</p>

<p>However, if this could be faithfully reproduced and it would demonstrate that given a choice and a good life, rats won&#8217;t voluntarily take drugs even though they can get as much of them as they&#8217;d like, that may be a strong indicator for why people choose to take drugs [outside of a medical/religious context]. Somehow I have the feeling that not everybody thinks having happy people making their own choices is a desirable outcome.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: T R Reeves, MD, ABAM</title>
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		<dc:creator>T R Reeves, MD, ABAM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 03:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There are volumes of data showing definite physical changes in brains of addicts with resulting physiologic consequences. Ever hear of PET scans or functional MRI?  If a liver or heart or pancreas have physical changes with resulting physiologic consequences, it is called a &quot;disease&quot; manifest as hepatitis or a-fib or diabetes or an alteration in the function of that specific organ.  When the organ called the brain has  physiologic derangements as a result of exposure to alcohol, it is manifest as a behavioural change, a function of that organ. So this is not a disease?  Fewer receptors for dopamine in the nucleus accumbens along with increased dendritic branching in these neurons is not a disease process?  Relapse rates, defined as loss of control of a disease are nearly identical in alcoholism, asthma, hypertension, and diabetes. Just a coincidence i suppose. The degree of intellectual denial by some groups is astounding to me.  Selective exclusion of facts reported as truth sells snake oil.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are volumes of data showing definite physical changes in brains of addicts with resulting physiologic consequences. Ever hear of PET scans or functional MRI?  If a liver or heart or pancreas have physical changes with resulting physiologic consequences, it is called a &#8220;disease&#8221; manifest as hepatitis or a-fib or diabetes or an alteration in the function of that specific organ.  When the organ called the brain has  physiologic derangements as a result of exposure to alcohol, it is manifest as a behavioural change, a function of that organ. So this is not a disease?  Fewer receptors for dopamine in the nucleus accumbens along with increased dendritic branching in these neurons is not a disease process?  Relapse rates, defined as loss of control of a disease are nearly identical in alcoholism, asthma, hypertension, and diabetes. Just a coincidence i suppose. The degree of intellectual denial by some groups is astounding to me.  Selective exclusion of facts reported as truth sells snake oil.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Namey</title>
		<link>http://sciencethatmatters.com/archives/6/comment-page-1#comment-38145</link>
		<dc:creator>Namey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 23:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I can has replication?! But where are drug buttons?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can has replication?! But where are drug buttons?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Remaking remedial education &#124; Thoughts on Public Education</title>
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		<dc:creator>Remaking remedial education &#124; Thoughts on Public Education</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2011 11:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] college students were discussing Bruce Alexander&#8217;s morphine-addicted rodents in his Rat Park experiment on a recent Wednesday morning. &#8220;It usually just comes down to the dopamine [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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